SekcMustard
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If I were you I'd be looking for a way to up that subscription fee.
guys, how do you feel about 24's on YOUR team?
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Purse
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Honey Badger
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you focus too much on surviabilty the rogue lvl 20 Ap was more effect than you for several reasons.
Zerazsa has almost better stats at 20 with his limited 100 professions cap than you do. In fact he even has more cri and 600 less hpt. He did more damage and healed less cuase he trying to return flags not survive. In fact he had more hks which means he was in the action more than you. Meaning you must have been sitting in flag room. I don't need a formula to tell your bad.
Gratz to Zerazsa for carrying a bad rogue.
PS there's this thing called poison you might want to apply to your weapons helps a heap lol. L2p
Zerazsa has almost better stats at 20 with his limited 100 professions cap than you do. In fact he even has more cri and 600 less hpt. He did more damage and healed less cuase he trying to return flags not survive. In fact he had more hks which means he was in the action more than you. Meaning you must have been sitting in flag room. I don't need a formula to tell your bad.
Gratz to Zerazsa for carrying a bad rogue.
PS there's this thing called poison you might want to apply to your weapons helps a heap lol. L2p
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Srs
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I agree. All generalizations are the worst thing in the entire universe. Everyone needs to stop — starting now.
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glancealot
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all three weapons(MH/OH/Thrown) had poisons...look to the upper right corner.
and i am pretty sure(since i was in that game) i was the one that truly carried. zerazsa had easy returns while mine were game deciding.
typical honeybadger post.
Purse
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loololololol... needed to be carried by lv20s ahhahaha.
man if i paid $15 a month to get carried by F2Ps.... boy that's pretty embarassing.
Franciska
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Yeah its kinda like paying for oxygen. Why pay for something you can get for free?
glancealot
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i am not exactly sure what zerazsa's stand on that SS of mine is. he was in that game, so he knows perfectly well how it went and if he "carried" me, or the other way around. he probably posted it to show off, but i want to know what he thinks deep down. notice the HK difference (his 42 vs my 26) and the honor point difference, so i wouldn't be surprised if i joined late, it's been too long so i am not entirely sure. i think i carried that team from down 1 to victory when i joined at 1-0 alliance, again, not entirely sure.
i admit, one thing is certain, i wasn't using grenades/tea/swiftness pot back then so i wasn't exactly playing at my full potential like nowadays.
edit: i also had pretty crappy gears back then, unlike today i am pretty much BiS.
i am posting the following SS to prove a point, not that this SS is worth posting at all.
i played this game while typing up heated arguments with some guy on the wow official forums.
i would actually say the F2P rogue, sllash's contribution was more than me because he was the one telling everyone wheather to go offense or defense, he called out FC's direction and applied crippling poison to enemy players who were chasing our FC.
i just semi-afk'd and returned the flag when i saw both flag got picked up and our FC was back to our base.
notice that kynrind is a 24 druid, so i used lots of help from metatron to return those flags.
TL;DR, you cannot tell a person's contribution in a single WSG by his stats in that WSG. stats are used over a large sample pool of games to get a vague idea of how objective a certain player is.
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Yde
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This apparently went over everyone's head. And everyone should feel bad. I feel bad. Also because I can't like it yet. Damn like cap.
Swoops
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I know for a fact that Zerazsa is a game-changing rogue, I've never seen him get carried. I don't care what the stats show, he's one of the few people in this bracket who's always in the right place at the right time.
I don't understand the point you're trying to make now, though. You're providing screenshots about your objective play carrying unpleasant F2Ps, then following that up by saying that screenshots of games paint a very limited picture (which is the truth).
Kynrind's also barely geared better than a F2P. A druid with 84 spellpower shouldn't be able to outheal your damage without hardcasting Regrowth.
Not directly on topic (and slightly against my better judgment as someone who plays Ally a bit more often these days): Eviscerate crits are a big source of burst damage (aka it makes squishy druids die). I didn't play Assassination for too long, but I found it to be better sustained damage with poison procs at the cost of Eviscerate's burst. Envenom's front end damage alone certainly didn't pack the same punch. I think you'll find you have even more of an impact on games rolling with an offensive subtlety build, I'd recommend trying it out. Pick up some +Agil Charged Gears/Emissary Cuffs and replace that damn belt with the "of the bandit" satchel one. Keep your stam set for when you need it, but IMO you're gimping yourself a majority of the time at this level with your current setup. Rogues that are afraid to die are limiting their potential. Its worth trying at least, even if you decide not to stick with it.
Back on topic!
TL;DR for this thread/the other one - There are unpleasant people on the internet. Some of those unpleasant people play World of Warcraft. Some pay for the game, others play it fo' free. Also, its human nature to make quick and biased judgments based on our own past experiences. Try not to get caught up in that. The end.
I don't understand the point you're trying to make now, though. You're providing screenshots about your objective play carrying unpleasant F2Ps, then following that up by saying that screenshots of games paint a very limited picture (which is the truth).
Kynrind's also barely geared better than a F2P. A druid with 84 spellpower shouldn't be able to outheal your damage without hardcasting Regrowth.
Not directly on topic (and slightly against my better judgment as someone who plays Ally a bit more often these days): Eviscerate crits are a big source of burst damage (aka it makes squishy druids die). I didn't play Assassination for too long, but I found it to be better sustained damage with poison procs at the cost of Eviscerate's burst. Envenom's front end damage alone certainly didn't pack the same punch. I think you'll find you have even more of an impact on games rolling with an offensive subtlety build, I'd recommend trying it out. Pick up some +Agil Charged Gears/Emissary Cuffs and replace that damn belt with the "of the bandit" satchel one. Keep your stam set for when you need it, but IMO you're gimping yourself a majority of the time at this level with your current setup. Rogues that are afraid to die are limiting their potential. Its worth trying at least, even if you decide not to stick with it.
Back on topic!
TL;DR for this thread/the other one - There are unpleasant people on the internet. Some of those unpleasant people play World of Warcraft. Some pay for the game, others play it fo' free. Also, its human nature to make quick and biased judgments based on our own past experiences. Try not to get caught up in that. The end.
verh
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I agree with swoops zerazana definitely is not the kind of player anyone carries.
i c wut u did ther
CripzBlood
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i post games where my opponent dominates and i work my ass off to win, to achieve the seemingly impossible.
he posts games where he easily tops the chart as a 24 paladin in games where his faction is winning.
no difference? okay.
The SS that iposted... obviusly my team wasnt dominating...
Sorry, i dont feel the need to post SS of all my bgs.
Posting a SS of bg were u say it was balanced -.- just video tape it.
I play objectively while most of my teammates are mid farming, and i dont understands why i always play with this ppl when ppl here are so good(talking about what to do) Less TI, more PvP.
Well most of ppl here are from US, from now on will try to only post on Threads from US+EU and EU.
Omghax
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wait a minute...the only toon i have in 20-24 is this 24 rogue
i do plan to make a 20 F2P Hpal or druid though...still debating...druid would be a better flag runner, paladin would be a better flag carrier. druid would be a better AB assaulter/defender...
/sigh
Why not quickly level a 20 Rogue with F2P limits? It will get all your standard account titles and such and give you the chance to actually see the difference.
Honestly a 24 rogue isn't that much more powerful most of the time. I haven't noticed a huge diff having a 24 rogue with me or 20 rogue with me on retrieval.
Please don't roll a FOTM OP class just to try to prove that you don't exploit the game system to get every advantage you can. Yes I know, this is twinking!!! but FOTMs don't get respect either. I have a Rdruid and a Pally (currently Ret) that I won't log onto because it's not worth it. My 20 rogue is fun, useful (still bitter about the nerfs though mostly because stuff was taken from rogue to give to other classes), and challenging.
And in regard to the "F2Ps take advantage of blizzards trial policy" comment someone posted. The ads say play for free. Sorry but that sounds like.. I don't know... maybe play for free?
Bob
Druiddroid
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generalizations are needed to gain general information on something that isn't uniform
i mean, hey, i'd be surprised if a 24 impressed with their skills, but unfortunately my generalizations hold true so far with glance/honey/cripz. seems like their most impressive displays of objectivity and skill are returning the flag, zzzz
not like many f2p were that impressive anyways. especially compared to past and current 19s.. no contest. there's another generalization for ya
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Alyáa
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What he said still went over your head, despite Yde pointing out it out quite clearly. Hmm.
Srs
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Please don't take my above comment as a troll because it wasn't meant to be. I just saw an opportunity to be hilarious, and took it (with debatable success). It really didn't have anything to do with the content of what you were saying. I guess you could say the joke was formal in nature, which as the delightful Yde pointed out, is only going to reach a small audience at best.
And yes, making generalizations, or categorizing things, is how we make sense of the world around us, so generalizing isn't bad, necessarily. Overgeneralization, however, by definition. is too much generalization, and that's where one runs in to trouble — that is, if what what one says is actually not true. Really it's just another form of hyperbole, or exaggeration.
There. I really sucked the fun out of that one.
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