The forum banter is not a necessity.

[Juicie]

I used to twink hardcore. You can ask ANYONE who played in the Shadowburn battlegroup. I set up 10v10 matches. I even played a toon in the Cyclone battlegroup and did 10v10 matches with a guild on the Crushridge server.

Having said the above, forum drama had nothing to do with any of it. The Shadowburn matches I set up were with people who hung out in our voice chat and vice versa. When I played in classic, bc, and some of wrath...you made friends and enemies in game while playing. Sure sometimes things get taken to the forums, and yes it can be entertaining, but it gets old quick. Maybe I am just a relic living in a future age, where constant shit talking is required on the forums to have any fun.

And in no way is this a shot at anyone. This is just how I feel. My opinion. Forums like this are great don't get me wrong. But when you hang out in your opponents voice chat of all the top guilds, have cell numbers, chill together all the time. We played ALL the time so someone or some group was always running.

And don't get me wrong I never let any bullshit fly on the wow forums back then. I would speak my mind at the drop of a hat. Now I just try to lay back in the cut and observe and maybe I say something rarely. Most posts I have seen a dozen times before, sometimes years ago. You get to a point where you have almost seen it all and the only thing that truly keeps you loving the game, is the game itself.

Don't skewer me yall. Try and have a chill discussion maybe idk. I'd prefer not to have this locked.

 

[funkychicken]

I used to twink hardcore. You can ask ANYONE who played in the Shadowburn battlegroup. I set up 10v10 matches. I even played a toon in the Cyclone battlegroup and did 10v10 matches with a guild on the Crushridge server.

Having said the above, forum drama had nothing to do with any of it. The Shadowburn matches I set up were with people who hung out in our voice chat and vice versa. When I played in classic, bc, and some of wrath...you made friends and enemies in game while playing. Sure sometimes things get taken to the forums, and yes it can be entertaining, but it gets old quick. Maybe I am just a relic living in a future age, where constant shit talking is required on the forums to have any fun.

And in no way is this a shot at anyone. This is just how I feel. My opinion. Forums like this are great don't get me wrong. But when you hang out in your opponents voice chat of all the top guilds, have cell numbers, chill together all the time. We played ALL the time so someone or some group was always running.

And don't get me wrong I never let any bullshit fly on the wow forums back then. I would speak my mind at the drop of a hat. Now I just try to lay back in the cut and observe and maybe I say something rarely. Most posts I have seen a dozen times before, sometimes years ago. You get to a point where you have almost seen it all and the only thing that truly keeps you loving the game, is the game itself.

Don't skewer me yall. Try and have a chill discussion maybe idk. I'd prefer not to have this locked.

You aren't wrong, but just because your experience lead you to believe that forum drama has nothing to do with activity doesn't mean that it applies here. IMO forums will keep a community together in the long run. If you read through karmaz's thread you will see that his point and the reason for inactivity goes beyond the lack of drama

 

[Dorigon]

The over-moderation is not a necessity.

 

[Karmaz]

You aren't wrong, but just because your experience lead you to believe that forum drama has nothing to do with activity doesn't mean that it applies here. IMO forums will keep a community together in the long run. If you read through karmaz thread you will see that he isn't trying to say that this bracket is inactive because there is a lack of drama, and nothing beyond that contributed to the dying out of 19s

Yup, "forum drama" is just another factor that can help draw in players/create rivalries and help competitively bind or split players which in turns creates motivation and thus sparks activity.

Obviously it's not thaaat simple but that is the basic drift.

@OP: Times have also changed, so your not in the wrong for believing what you believe. It may just be a lack of experience in the current stage that this game and community are in. I merely have just been around for the ride and have a pretty clear view as to whats going on around us and what possibilities lay upon the horizon.

 

[Sputnick]

. I merely have just been around for the ride and have a pretty clear view as to whats going on around us and what possibilities lay upon the horizon.

Can you enlighten us with such possibilities that you repeatedly say?

 

[Juicie]

You aren't wrong, but just because your experience lead you to believe that forum drama has nothing to do with activity doesn't mean that it applies here. IMO forums will keep a community together in the long run. If you read through karmaz's thread you will see that his point and the reason for inactivity goes beyond the lack of drama

Good points. Forums are definitely great for the community and let you keep a general pulse on what is happening, and sometimes start a little drama in good fun. But moderation shouldn't effect that or stop it from occurring organically.

 

[funkychicken]

I don't think you understand that point that karmaz is trying to make

 

[saxxon]

Good points. Forums are definitely great for the community and let you keep a general pulse on what is happening, and sometimes start a little drama in good fun. But moderation shouldn't effect that or stop it from occurring organically.

that's exactly the point, the moderation was effecting it concurring organically

 

[Juicie]

I don't think you understand that point that karmaz is trying to make

I was just stating how I feel on some things. Mainly what I wanted to convey was that forums are not needed to have fun in the game. That their existence, non-existence, or over moderation shouldn't negatively effect what you do in game. But, forums can be great for the community like has been said and I do agree that over moderation has contributed to the low post activity on this section of the forums.

 

[funkychicken]

In reality( or theory depending how you see it) we will never really know if the mods had an impact on the activity of this bracket, therefore you are entitled to your opinion... as long as your opinion is valid. As long as you realize that people agree that tight moderation is only a fraction of what caused the bracket to die out, and that tight moderation WASN'T the only thing that people think killed the bracket, then you can think whatever you want.
Edit :Also acknoledge that drama and rivalries keeps things interesting, like a good tv show

 

[Drayner]

I would rather have low forum participation than useless cancer being spread throughout a forum. This is just my opinion, one that doesn't really matter since I have zero pull on any websites.

 

[saxxon]

drayner, the community changed from what it was back then, you cant force people to play it in a way that to them would be less enjoyable and gay, well you can restrict the forum part of it but really that's hindering a bracket and molding it into a way you think it has to be rather than just trying to embrace what it's become.

the fact is that the average age of twinks from bc/vanilla dropped , i know because back then the guys i played with were all in there 20s-30s and i was very young, there was a lot more respect for other players and other guildies, the activity was high to, but in wrath-MOP twinks just became trash talking teenagers who would talk shit on forums then either get smacked up in arena or premades. sure it wasn't perfect and there were still mature players but the culture for twinking changed to the rudeness, you cant force a culture to change it will just happen.


i mean there's been more posting in these threads about the over moderation then there has been posts in so many threads in the 15-19 section in months, the fact that the players are coming out of the wood work to post because of this cause should show that it is relevant and having and effect on twinking

 

[Drayner]

the fact is that the average age of twinks from bc/vanilla dropped , i know because back then the guys i played with were all in there 20s-30s and i was very young, there was a lot more respect for other players and other guildies, the activity was high to, but in wrath-MOP twinks just became trash talking teenagers who would talk shit on forums then either get smacked up in arena or premades. sure it wasn't perfect and there were still mature players but the culture for twinking changed to the rudeness, you cant force a culture to change it will just happen.

Well said.

 

[Juicie]

drayner, the community changed from what it was back then, you cant force people to play it in a way that to them would be less enjoyable and gay, well you can restrict the forum part of it but really that's hindering a bracket and molding it into a way you think it has to be rather than just trying to embrace what it's become.

the fact is that the average age of twinks from bc/vanilla dropped , i know because back then the guys i played with were all in there 20s-30s and i was very young, there was a lot more respect for other players and other guildies, the activity was high to, but in wrath-MOP twinks just became trash talking teenagers who would talk shit on forums then either get smacked up in arena or premades. sure it wasn't perfect and there were still mature players but the culture for twinking changed to the rudeness, you cant force a culture to change it will just happen.


i mean there's been more posting in these threads about the over moderation then there has been posts in so many threads in the 15-19 section in months, the fact that the players are coming out of the wood work to post because of this cause should show that it is relevant and having and effect on twinking

I have to agree with basically all of what you said here.

 

[saxxon]

I have to agree with basically all of what you said here.

thanks, i think by now you've seen how it is around here lol

 

[Bowwow]

thanks, i think by now you've seen how it is around here lol

I don't draw attention to myself but have been around for a bit. TI and twinking has changed tons. Good or bad, take it as you want to.
Look at some of the well known people here. I quoted Sax because he was the last poster and had been around for years. I remember pictures of him at 13-14? a kid, and now I've seen pictures of him, I'll say the guy is a man now. Twinking needs a mentors, someone that can show the new people how to play and also how to act. I wish I had a mentor when I started twinking. I try to help the newer people with the simpler things but I kinda gave up on wow.

 

[Juicie]

Helping people is awesome. You end up meeting people and making new friends. You feel good about helping someone.

Most people do not want to help anyone though currently. In the old days, you felt an obligation to help newcomers to the game. I remember being on my warlock in classic, it was my first toon ever in this game. I had to get somewhere in Ashenvale to do the quest to get my Succubus pet. I had no idea where Ashenvale was and even if I did I didn't know how to get there. I was CLUELESS. Luckily, a total stranger ran me ON FOOT (no mounts before level 40 back then) all the way from Ironforge to Ashenvale. It felt like it took an hour. Maybe it was more around 30-45 mins IDK but to just stop what you are doing, and devote that much time to help a total stranger, that is what is missing from twinking and this game overall.

Hell, we used to recruit people into our twink guild and TEACH them how to be great because they were inexperienced or guildless. One person we turned into one of the best rogues on the server and later in the battlegroup (when battlegroups implemented). Also twinking was new back then and some people that were doing it, didn't even know they were doing it.

Now players just ignore new players, call them noob, and move on.

 

[saxxon]

I don't draw attention to myself but have been around for a bit. TI and twinking has changed tons. Good or bad, take it as you want to.
Look at some of the well known people here. I quoted Sax because he was the last poster and had been around for years. I remember pictures of him at 13-14? a kid, and now I've seen pictures of him, I'll say the guy is a man now. Twinking needs a mentors, someone that can show the new people how to play and also how to act. I wish I had a mentor when I started twinking. I try to help the newer people with the simpler things but I kinda gave up on wow.

thank you harley

 

[Livingforce]

is there a point for this thread

Threads don't need to have a point to exist. They can just be, Definition of forums is a public meeting place (Aka Website) for open discussion of subjects to the public's interest.

Witch means it can be anything really, this is also the Tavern so pretty much anything goes.

 

[Elkiva]

I agree with you completely.

Within the years prior to Cata and MoP the brackets where much more calm and easier to get along with, there was no such thing as Forum drama "Not to the scale that it is today"

Back in BC and Wrath people used to be very friendly with each other, if you where a twink for example and you found another twink you wouldn't start playing " Who's the better twink" and so fourth, you actually managed to build a friendship within the first few minutes of talking to that person.

Ever since the end of Wotlk more and more players have become very elitist or lack the maturity required to play a simple game such as world of warcraft, for example from PVP aspects of things there are more and more children joining and ruining what's left of specified brackets. That I do find a great shame, there is also a lack of respect to others! Respect back in the days of BC and Wotlk was very crucial and important within the community, very rarely did people abuse that, now it has become such a common thing that people simply don't give a shit.

It's sad, it's things of this nature which ruin brackets, Kids flaring people up. Rivalries blowing things out of proportion...
Sadly there is evidence of this wherever you go now within these forums...It just goes to show you that things have changed, not for the better but for the worse.

Twinking is not what it used to be like.