Potatosoup
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Hey if anyone could help me out i was wondering if shadowfang, and gloomshroud armor was still BIS at 29? I was going to go 19 on this new rogue of mine but the queue times are terrible compared to 29 so Id like to move up.
Are shadowfang and gloom bis at 29?
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CaptainPonysock
Legend
yes
Crazyflames
Grandfathered
How often does it proc? I have one in my 29's inventory because I know it is a good item but I haven't been able to bring myself to equip it yet because I want to know how much it procs. As of right now (compared to an heirloom after it scaling up in a BG) it does 0.1 less dps, has 3 more agility, but loses 6 stam and 4 crit (or 2 crit/2 haste) so the proc rate would have to be pretty high to be worth it.
Are slower weapons still preferable to faster weapons now that things like sinister strike is based on attack power not your weapon damage?
CaptainPonysock
Legend
stam is garbage
max mongo is the only way
stack agility on agility on agility
use wsg dagger for offhand
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Potatosoup
Grandfathered
Thanks for the replies guys! Just picked up two shadowfangs and a gloom.
Franchi
Legend
You are rogue, your purpose in life is to die gloriously gibbing healers and EFC's.
Stack AP and DIE WITH HONOR!
Recluse
Grandfathered
I disagree with max Mongo set being best set. Plz, use Boa shoulders over cloaked agility. 4 AP is not worth losing 10 stamina, 9 haste, & 1 crit.
But yes, gloomshroud and shadowfangs are still BiS for 29s. (Unless someone is telling you to use Blackened Defias Armor because that 1 agi is better than 8 crit).
Shadowfang is producing the hardest hitting ambush and sinister strikes, and is still faster than the Boa
But yes, gloomshroud and shadowfangs are still BiS for 29s. (Unless someone is telling you to use Blackened Defias Armor because that 1 agi is better than 8 crit).
Shadowfang is producing the hardest hitting ambush and sinister strikes, and is still faster than the Boa
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Snack
Salty
Blackvenom Blade in OH is better than 2nd fang
Erizel @ Draenor - Community - World of Warcraft is best tbh, just replace Power ring with agility
Yapah
Legend
ye but he isn't using agi head xD
Snack
Salty
Yeh I would replace head with agi, Landslide on MH with EF and power ring with agi ring. And swtich talent to Nightstalker
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pwner
Shadow focus op burst doe 8)
Snack
Salty
Higher ambush dmg + movement speed > 1 more/faster sinister strike imo. But I guess it's preferencial
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pwner
Higher ambush dmg + movement speed > 1 more/faster sinister strike imo. But I guess it's preferencial
If you use nightstalker, you will be waiting for energy for too long imo.
If you ambush + eviscerate, sure, it's some pretty nice burst but you don't get the +35% damage to eviscerate, and it's only 2 combos which won't hit very hight at all. Alternatively you can just go ambush -> revealing and wait till you get some energy for another sinister and eviscerate, but by the time you'll have a 4-5 combo evisc ready, the enemy already has had plenty of time to react and maybe pop some defensives or cc you or something. Pretty high risk of getting rooted / bm snared / conc shotted etc since you spend so long time outside stealth before the finisher.
With shadow focus, you have instantly enough energy for an ambush, revealing, sinister, and by the time you've used those, energy is really close to be ready for eviscerate. I've used arc torrent somewhere here so it's enough for evisc nearly instantly, but if you got some haste on gear, that might do the job aswell. With that combo you have at least 4 combos points in a minimum amount of time, and with revealing strike proc it's 25% chance you have 5 combos ready for max damage eviscerate. It's imo more burst in a short amount of time, and you don't have to wait much for energy. Sap spam also works better cus low cost. Lower speed kinda sucks, but you will learn positioning yourself with even 110% speed, it's not that much lower than the 120% with nightstalker, anyways (unless you use minor speed instead of blurred).
TLDR; Take nightstalker if you enjoy 1-shotting ppl at half hp with ambush and want to go a little bit faster with stealth. Shadow focus has more damage pontetial, though, if you can sit the target a bit longer and get a 4-5 combo eviscerate out. Just my two cents though, I can see why some people like nightstalker more.
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Potatosoup
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ive geared up my rogue a lot since I started this thread, and ive tried all sorts of combinations to try to find what works best for me as far as gear goes, and I am convinced so far that a mixture of ap gear and crit gear with crit enchants instead of versitility is the way to go.
Im still in the process of switching out a few items for others, but heres my character so far: Chickenwings @ Anvilmar - Community - World of Warcraft
the changes I intend to try are: I want to get eng up and get that eng cloak, and then take the boots away and put in Boots of the Foolhardy - Game Guide - World of Warcraft. This switch will add crit and some more AP, as my main goal is to obtain 40 crit and 300 ap unbuffed. I also need another stendals ring. Next I might obtain some blackwolf bracers from sfk if i am still lacking some crit, as i think those might provide more crit when scaled in a bg, at the cost of some stam and some haste.
end result: 40 percent crit, 300 ap, and 3.4k or so HP. This result means that I have enough crit to actually crit often, and 300 ap is a decent enough amount to hit hard, and the 3.4k hp is a lot more than a pure ap rogue build i see people running with lately, meaning u live long enough to actually follow through with a fc gank instead of getting 2 shot by the 2 people guarding him, thus pulling off a kamakazi attack and returning the flag. Most bg's ive played with this setup I usually am the only one returning flags, and i almost always return them. I'm the highest rogue on the damage charts too with the best klll death ratio.
I was trying out duel landslide, and the procs are pretty awesome when they do proc....but considering that this build focuses on crit and ap mixed, elemental force works best for me because elemental force is affected by crit. Meaning those deadly poison dots are very strong compared to the weak ones you get when using landslide.
My gearset also happens to provide a slight amount of haste, which is also useful for faster dots and faster weapon swings/proc chances. I dont focus on haste, but my gear just so happens to have some so its a plus.
Versitality is great, both offensively and defencevily, but 10 percent extra damage dont mean anything if ur sitting at 19 percent crit. The damage that 40 percent crit offers far outperforms versitality bonuses.
I am loving my setup so far, and the best part is I dont have to run gnomer 1000 times for those agility rings and bracer, and tbh I think this setup is better. The only item I might end up having to go out of my way and buy like i did my sf's and gloom shroud is a ring of precision, and in the future, I might try out a blackvenom blade for offhand.
Im still in the process of switching out a few items for others, but heres my character so far: Chickenwings @ Anvilmar - Community - World of Warcraft
the changes I intend to try are: I want to get eng up and get that eng cloak, and then take the boots away and put in Boots of the Foolhardy - Game Guide - World of Warcraft. This switch will add crit and some more AP, as my main goal is to obtain 40 crit and 300 ap unbuffed. I also need another stendals ring. Next I might obtain some blackwolf bracers from sfk if i am still lacking some crit, as i think those might provide more crit when scaled in a bg, at the cost of some stam and some haste.
end result: 40 percent crit, 300 ap, and 3.4k or so HP. This result means that I have enough crit to actually crit often, and 300 ap is a decent enough amount to hit hard, and the 3.4k hp is a lot more than a pure ap rogue build i see people running with lately, meaning u live long enough to actually follow through with a fc gank instead of getting 2 shot by the 2 people guarding him, thus pulling off a kamakazi attack and returning the flag. Most bg's ive played with this setup I usually am the only one returning flags, and i almost always return them. I'm the highest rogue on the damage charts too with the best klll death ratio.
I was trying out duel landslide, and the procs are pretty awesome when they do proc....but considering that this build focuses on crit and ap mixed, elemental force works best for me because elemental force is affected by crit. Meaning those deadly poison dots are very strong compared to the weak ones you get when using landslide.
My gearset also happens to provide a slight amount of haste, which is also useful for faster dots and faster weapon swings/proc chances. I dont focus on haste, but my gear just so happens to have some so its a plus.
Versitality is great, both offensively and defencevily, but 10 percent extra damage dont mean anything if ur sitting at 19 percent crit. The damage that 40 percent crit offers far outperforms versitality bonuses.
I am loving my setup so far, and the best part is I dont have to run gnomer 1000 times for those agility rings and bracer, and tbh I think this setup is better. The only item I might end up having to go out of my way and buy like i did my sf's and gloom shroud is a ring of precision, and in the future, I might try out a blackvenom blade for offhand.
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pwner
Why is this?