Lil
SV huntard
I'd rather not get trolled or troll on our guide.. I stated why I consider haste trinkets bis and you say that insignia is a must.. i would beg to differ obviously but like we said a couple times, there are no straight BiS gear sets
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I'd rather not get trolled or troll on our guide.. I stated why I consider haste trinkets bis and you say that insignia is a must.. i would beg to differ obviously but like we said a couple times, there are no straight BiS gear sets
Lil
SV huntard
I'm not sure if you read this part as it was a newer part but I am sitting at 17 haste unbuffed.. With my pets 10% attack speed buff that=18.10% Haste= 0.44 Seconds faster. When I can shoot almost half a second faster that equals much higher dps which is my job. I have never been a fan of an item I can only use 4 times a bg and the only reason I would even use it would be for the resil probably.
Force of habit.. I understand that resil+agm is considered the basic BiS for trinkets but when I started playing the idea of shooting faster interested me.. I'm kind of an out of the box player and I guess that is why I consider dual haste BiS. I will debate which can be BiS all night as there maybe guests or people reading this that a debate can help persuade them but just know I won't change my mind more then likely
youakim
Guest
Would 17 haste be so much slower than 11 haste and 6 resil?
bigdip
Go Outside Fools
I personally don't think you should stack agility as a BM hunter. Your main shot is arcane shot, you should be able to put out consistent damage regardless of your gear. As BM, I would recommend stacking crit so you can add some burst to the consistent damage. If you have 20% crit, you will crit every focus dump no matter what. I'm attempting to get my hunter to 25% unbuffed crit, and I will get there eventually. Also, if you want to only focus on damage as a BM hunter, make your pet either the wolf for the plus 5 crit of the windserpent for the 5% magic debuff that will increase the damage of your arcane shot on your pets target. You can spec your pet ferocity for even more damage. AGM/trinket/haste trinket, pick those based on how much survivability you want. Obviously the haste trinkets will pump out more damage but you will lose the health, bubble, and freedom ability.
Pick based on what fits your play-style best and what you want to accomplish. This is why Lil and I couldn't put a true BIS set in the guide, there is none.
youakim
Guest
An insignia isn't necessarily a survivability item, it's extremely useful for getting out of stuns/I use it on slows sometimes/whatever else you can think of to land a CC and land a kill.
bigdip
Go Outside Fools
Then call it utility, it doesn't matter. As long as you cater your gear to your play style you can use any of those trinkets.
Lil
SV huntard
I'm going to be honest.. The only stun that would kill me 1v1 in cata was a ret pally HoJ. I wasn't going to gimp my dps even by 3 dps just for one stun. In MoP I find I need to have as much dps as possible to even contend with healers. I rarely find myself in MoP going "Oh I wish I had that insignia so I could have lived" besides maybe a sap spam while fcing.
I don't really like the term but I guess I am a glass cannon. I die alot and I kill alot. With my setup and my playstyle I just found that I kill enough compared to how much I die to consider being effective enough in bgs
youakim
Guest
That's not what my post was aimed at, Lil. I was referring to a stun that would keep you from scattering a healer or maybe getting a few arcane shots off to kill the efc. I understand where you and bigdip are going with playstyle, I'm just a little biased towards the insignia because I'm an arena hero at heart. I have to remind myself constantly that we're arguing about level 20 f2p bgs, and that there isn't enough CC floating around to make it (the insignia) infinitely better-it's just my preferred choice.
Lil
SV huntard
Lol don't ever think that I am talking about arenas.. I don't have enough time or want to even consider a serious arena.. I am speaking purely about bgs where I can get an aimed shot off 9/10 times (I know I would never in arenas). If I were to use the insignia to break a CC immediately and get a scatter off I could then not have a shot fast enough or that .01 change in attack speed could change the outcome.. I know it seems small but I'm sure arenas frequently come down to mili-seconds and it seems alot of times there has been times where a simple haste trinket not equipped would have changed the outcome
youakim
Guest
I know, that's what I said...
Mialo
The Architect.
Recently started playing a Panda Hunter. Now I was wondering: what would be the longest time you can fully CC a single target?
Monkey Bad Manner: 4 s
Crane Lullaby: 4 s
Scatter Shot: 4 s
Quaking Palm: 4 s
Intimidation: 3 s
That would be 19 seconds of full CC. 41 seconds later you can do it all over again for 15 seconds.
Or would the Monkey's Bad Manner still DR with that Intimidation (12 or 16 seconds) later?
Monkey Bad Manner: 4 s
Crane Lullaby: 4 s
Scatter Shot: 4 s
Quaking Palm: 4 s
Intimidation: 3 s
That would be 19 seconds of full CC. 41 seconds later you can do it all over again for 15 seconds.
Or would the Monkey's Bad Manner still DR with that Intimidation (12 or 16 seconds) later?
Mialo
The Architect.
I don't know if Lullaby and Bad Manner DR with each other since they are both different schools of magic. And Pet dismissal should be done in the first Pet Stun.
Lil
SV huntard
If QP and Lullaby share DR and it takes 15-20 seconds to reset the stun DR then theres no way you can start with intimidation or Bad manner and be able to get full stunlock until the last CC.
If QP and Lullaby don't share DR then it should theoretically be possible.
Monkey (4s) (dismiss monkey) + Scatter (4s) (summon crane) + Lullaby (4s) + Quaking Palm (4s) >15s so the stun maybe reset and now you'll get the 3s intimidation
Lullaby is listed as a stun but doesn't share DR with other stuns (according to rushun ).
If QP and Lullaby don't share DR then it should theoretically be possible.
Monkey (4s) (dismiss monkey) + Scatter (4s) (summon crane) + Lullaby (4s) + Quaking Palm (4s) >15s so the stun maybe reset and now you'll get the 3s intimidation
Lullaby is listed as a stun but doesn't share DR with other stuns (according to rushun ).
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Mialo
The Architect.
Question is: does the count start when the spell ends, when its trinketted/interrupted (before or after half the duration) or when the spell is casted?